Tuesday 17 March 2020

From GregB: A Byzantine Tribute To The Snow Lord (320 Points)

A Byzantine tribute to the Snow Lord masses in my kitchen...
The conclusion of the 10th edition of the Analogue Hobbies Painting Challenge is almost upon us, and boy, what a relief to prepare this submission under the wire - here is my tribute to the Snow Lord - two new units of 28mm Byzantine troops. These are skutatoi, tough spearmen of the Byzantine forces.  These two particular units are armoured, and carrying kite-shaped shields, which would place them in the later spectrum of the Byzantines' long period in history.  There are 24 spearmen in each unit.

You will see behind each unit there are two small groups of four archers...it was often the case that Byzantine spear units had the direct support of archers (or troops with javelins) mixed in the unit.  Rather than mix the archers in among the spearmen, I opted to go with these small groups at the back.  This allows some flexibility - to remove the archers, or swap them out for troops with javelins or slings or other things.

As the Snow Lord noted, two years ago I launched a new project, and while there is no need to reprise the background here, it was one that was long overdue - see here for more on that.  I thought at the time that I would indeed move ahead with a 28mm Byzantine collection, but after that initial burst of progress efforts stalled and the prospect of painting more Byzantines always seemed to fade...I have not painted a Byzantine since finishing that heavy cavalry unit back in AHPC 8.

When I saw the new format for Challenge X take shape, and I saw various Challengers receive their tasks from the Snow Lord, I had little doubt as to which undertaking would come my way once I made my own attempt on the great peak in the centre of Challenge Island.  This premonition sharpened further once I saw Curt unveil his new Ottoman project...I pulled the old box of Byzantine bits from the pile in anticipation, even as I worked to finish more and more Winter WW2 Germans.

The Snow Lord did not disappoint, tasking me with completing two new units of 28mm Byzantine troops.  I suppose I could have squeezed a bit, and done a unit of skirmishers (six or eight models), but I always remember Curt saying to me "It is a painting challenge, after all" and I thought this would be the time to put a good foundation in place for my Byzantines: two main infantry units - the skutatoi - that would serve as a solid base for the force. It would be a big chunk of work, one that was out of step with my current brush whims, but I thought I was up for it.  And it was early February, there was still tons of time left in the Challenge, and I can paint pretty fast when I feel like it, right?

What is that saying about biting off more than one can chew...?

Fireforge Games


Fireforge miniatures make up the red unit.
I thought this was the perfect time to crack open the boxes of Fireforge Games' plastic spearmen - they had been released a few years ago, and looked quite sharp - for plastic models.  Fireforge had even released command kits to go with the units. What a great chance to give them a go! Yeah...

The plastic figures do not mix well into a unit with narrow frontage.
The bases are 50mm square...the figures barely fit, and don't work well together.
The basic spear-armed infantry have plastic tabs under their feet.  That is not unusual - a number of plastic figure sets do this.  The problem is that, first of all, it is not consistently done - the command figures don't have the same thing, and neither do the archers.  The second problem is that these plastic tabs are rather spacious, and would block the figures from fitting together on the narrower frontage I was hoping to achieve.  So I had to waste a lot of time cutting up the stupid plastic tabs off of 21 plastic spearmen...


Just to be clear, f**k plastic and f**k spray cans. 
And...well, poor KenR has been dealing with "Flakegate" - I didn't have quite the same experience, but I did encounter something similar.  Thankfully this was limited, and I was able to cover these sins with some paint, but still...f**k spray cans and f**k plastic. 

Then we have the command group.  These are NOT plastic, but rather a soft plastic resin, managing to combine many of the worst features of both materials.  The "restic" is super bendy, and the details are very soft, many of them fading beneath the base coat of black primer. Why do figure manufacturers use this useless material? Why?


Archers at the back...these are also multipart plastic figures from Fireforge...
The final issue with the Fireforge figures is that they don't mix very well together as a unit. Some of the poses are fine for close ranks, but others certainly are not, and it was a terrible thing to come up with a way to fit them on the bases.  I like spear units to appear dense - the soldiers close up for protection and maximum effectiveness.  I wanted a frontage of a little over 15mm for each figure.  It was a hell of a thing to make that happen with these Fireforge figures.

I can't get over the size of the musician's horn...presumably he can summon Cthulu with that thing...
Anyway, this very first unit of Fireforge plastics will be my last.  I think they would make great figures for individually based skirmish games like "Lion Rampant" (and this is the plan I have for the second box of plastic Byzantine spearmen I have from this company).  Getting this bunch painted, built and based took way more time than I expected,but I got this one unit done...and hey, I still had several weeks left in the Challenge...

Crusader Miniatures


Crusader Miniatures Byzantine spearmen.
Crusader is a well-known miniature brand in the gaming hobby, so I was looking forward to this.  First of all, the figures are metal, and we all know that metal > plastic.  But Crusader has a number of frustrations too, ones that I did not expect.

First of all, they don't include spears, but sell them separately.  This is a terrible habit - when you sell spearmen, you should include spears, full stop.  I don't care if they are available separately...they should be included in the pack too, no exceptions. 

It was also tough to find the right sort of metal or steel spears for the figures...many of the steel spears out there these days are so skinny and thin that they look, at best, more like javelins than long Byzantine kontarion.  Curt helpfully suggested getting some steel pikes from Wargames Foundry, and just cutting them down slightly, so I did this for the bulk of the spearmen in this unit, although there are a few soft metal spears from Gripping Beast mixed in.

As with the other unit, a group of archers at the back, providing direct support.
Having found weapons, I then discovered that getting the figures to hold the spears was quite the obstacle in itself.  The right hands were cast poorly, and I found I had to carve/hack each hand in order to create a "channel" of sorts so each spearman could hold the spear.  The results were uneven, and in some cases the spears appear to almost be levitating near the hand, as opposed to actually being in the grasp of the soldier...even now, many of the spears snap loose easily, and I have re-glued a number of them several times...they won't last on the table.

There are a few metal spears from Gripping Beast, but most are cut-down steel pikes from Wargames Foundry.
The final obstacle to enjoying the Crusader miniatures is the shields - they mix up the shields! Why, why, why? First of all, it makes it very hard/impossible to use shield transfers and second...it's just stupid! Let me pick one style and use it consistently! F**k.

You can see the variety of small differences in the shields...this, in my opinion, is NOT a feature.
And so for weeks the Hobby Gods have mocked my hubris and overconfidence, and something I thought I could knock off with ease has taken more than a month of hard slogging.  Throw in travel challenges and work demands (which are OK - I like work, because it pays for figures!), and it was starting to look like I might miss the deadline all together.  Some late nights this past weekend helped me close the gap...and these units are now ready for action on the tabletop. 

For God and the Emperor!
There were a lot of hobby headaches finishing this bunch, and yet it is a painting challenge after all! I probably would have just moved on to something else at another time of the year, but the Challenge held my feet to the fire. Now that the headaches are over with, I'm thrilled to have these finished - and to have made a major contribution to my dormant Byzantine-collection ambitions! The next steps, when they come, will seem a little easier I'm sure.

For scoring, we have a total 56 different 28mm figures.  The shields and the banner on the green regiment are all hand-painted (with a simple as hell cross, so not much, but it's something).  The banner on the red unit has the detail cast on to it, but because it is the plastic-resin, a lot of the detail is submerged...was interesting to try and bring some of it out, but it does not count has hand painted.

Thanks for looking...I await the Snow Lord's judgement...

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Wow, Greg, all your troubles aside, these two units look absolutely magnificent. 

Even though the Fireforge figures gave you some guff, the final result is more than worth it. The red and yellow shields are very sharp and the compressed frontage of the spearmen really lends that impression of strength (or morale) in numbers. 

I also really like the Crusader models, but I can see what you say about the spears - the more aggressive pose is very dynamic but you'll have to be gentle moving these fellows around or there will be a line of spears trailing behind them. Still, the unit's a real beauty. I also notice that both units have very impressive banners - good for them to fight under and even better for the forces of Islam to take as trophies: It's a win-win! ;)

I'm going to pop in a few extra points for the banners and the entertaining tale of hobby sturm, angst und drang, so this horde will give you a very impressive 320 points. This not only puts the Peak Challenge comfortably behind you, but also blasts you past your overall points target. Bravo!

As to your prize, I'm awarding you with Sidney's lovely red coated sentry of Laarden.


Great work in getting these done in such high style, Greg. I look forward to seeing them on the tabletop soon.

-Curt

26 comments:

  1. I no longer hoped that I would see how Greg paints the Byzantines. but it happened and I'm happy. Thank you, this is an amazing and inspiring work!

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    1. Thanks so much Alex! That's kind of you to say...and you should know your work inspires me and so many others in the Challenge as well!

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  2. Gorgeous looking Byzantines, in spite of your hobby anguish! Superb painting and they'll look great next to your cataphracts!
    Best Iain

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    1. Thanks Iain - your consistent supportive commentary is greatly appreciated! Yes, these fellows will hold firm while the cataphracts smash the bad guys to bits...at least, that is the plan...

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  3. Oh man, these look lovely! Sounds like they were an absolute bear to sort out with each set giving their own challenge..... I totally agree with you on the separate spears selling fiasco and the hands that aren’t then sized to fit anything. But it was well worth all the hobby time you put into them so well done indeed!

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    1. Thanks Jamie! These were, indeed, a major pain to complete, but I'm thrilled now that they are finished.

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  4. You just gotta love Byzantines, and these are fantastic. Even with the vuvuzela player :-). Impressive you got to pull this off, considering you had to start with some Mordor spearmen judging from you undercoated example? Excellent work and a real treat towards the end of the Challenge!

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    1. Mordor spearmen...well-put. Luckily paint covers a multitude of sins/problems...thanks very much!

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  5. Wonderful looking Byzantines!

    Christopher

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  6. Great Byzantines Greg, pity about the flaky undercoat issues though! I'm tending more towards brush-on primers for plastic figures myself these days.

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    1. Thanks Evan! Yes, the brush-on coating can be helpful...but it can also be a lot thicker, so in the case of plastics it can obscure detail...spray is evil, but it is also the "devil I know"...this is where Byron will tell me I'm dumb for not using an airbrush, and he has a point.

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    2. Not all of us can be Byron, he's a bloody machine. I suspect he is possessed of arcane powers.
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      I still use spray cans for most hard plastic and all the metal figs. The Rustoleum 2X matt sprays are the most dependable, at least in low humidity. Hot steamy days are a blasted menace for undercoating!

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  7. Lovely work on these two units Greg. Glad you managed to survive the assorted hassles. :)

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  8. I think they look brilliant despite all your reservations...well done.

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  9. Troubles aside those units are wonderful Greg. I had a few chuckles reading about your woes, they brought back memories especially the spear issues on the metals. Those are old school problems that take me back to the 1980s and my Greeks for WRG 6th edition. I kind of like the variations in shields on the Crusader figures, I figure the armoury likely sourced from several makers and had left overs from many years. The differences to me make for more realism not less.

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  10. Wow awesome post and worthy for the Challenge!

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  11. They look excellent Greg! I feel your pain about both the Fireforge minis and the Crusader ones. Both have something going for them but equally both need quite some work to look the part. But you’ve pulled it of brilliantly my friend. Looking forward to the next additions to this project.

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    1. But I just realised with youpulling off such a feat I REALLY have to get my finger out now...

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    2. Thanks very much Nick! I am probably going to stick with Crusader minis, but no more "advancing" spearmen for me!

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  12. @Curt, thanks very much dude! That is some prize...watch, it will get me going on a 17th century project or something...

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  13. Congratulations! Sorry to hear about your struggles but the end results are excellent.

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  14. im thinking of trying to paint these myself is there any painting tutorials anywere im pretty new to hobby war gaming

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