A detachment of Space Marines for the "Legiones Imperialis" game from GW. Or maybe this is a "formation"? Whatever. |
Greetings once more fellow Challengers! For my second submission to AHPC XIV, I have this modest assortment of very, very small Space Marines and some of the slightly-less-small-but-still-small Dreadnoughts which support them in battle. These are all plastic figures from one of GW's newest games that comes with the absurd title "Legiones Imperialis", but which long-suffering fans of the company's maligned "specialist games" simply recognize by the name "Epic". They are painted (of course) in the colours of the XVI Legion Astartes, the Sons of Horus.
Space Marine Legion command stand. |
I am a HUGE fan of GW's "Epic" game, and of the setting in which the game takes place, the so-called "Horus Heresy". This game first appeared in the 90s as "Space Marine" and would appear and re-appear in different forms over the years in various names, including "Epic", "Epic: 40,000" and finally "Epic: Armageddon". It disappeared under GW's clown-addled leadership circa 2008 or somewhere in there with the other so-called "specialist games" of the day, but fans kept a candle burning - and kept playing - all through the subsequent years.
A couple of the dreadnoughts; you get two on each sprue of Space Marine infantry. |
And lo and behold, the game did arise and return! You would think a fan like me would be just thrilled, and this post would be brimming with enthusiasm...but...well, that is just not the vibe I have with this game.
Why is my vigour and passion for this game at such a low ebb at the very moment of its return to the commercial scene? Who knows? I can think of a few things contributing to my much-dimmed enthusiasm...let's review some of them...
A look at unit of tactical marines. Or maybe a formation of them. Or maybe a detachment. Or maybe a group. Bottom line - there are 20 little tactical marines there. |
Maybe it was the years and-years-long delay to essentially re-launch the game, wasting time to re-do rules when they already had them, and simply had to re-issue them, but instead sat there for years in the studio getting wanked around through GW's constipated product process...
Maybe it was the completely unnecessary "re-scale" of the figures, just to try and f*ck over the old time collectors?
Wee little heavy support marines. |
Maybe it was the extra months-long delay in the actual release of the game, caused by some unknown f*ckup within GW's painfully slow corporate processes.
Tactical support marines...they have plasma guns...or, at least, I know they do...not sure what they might look like to most normal people... |
Maybe it was GW's tone-deaf decision to continue with their drone-like promotional roll-out for the game even after this Air-Canada-sized additional delay was confirmed, when every single announcement was met with a chorus of "WHEN WILL YOU RELEASE IT?" and GW never saw fit to answer that basic question (although it still mustered the resources to generate a corporate graphic pouting about this feedback, which just says so much, but anyway).
Maybe it was the drip of tiresome online content from "influencers" who get these things sent to them in advance while the rest of us plebs must content with GW's Kafka-like online pre-ordering system. This systems exists on GW's POS "upgraded" online store, and it is truly a marvel that, in the age of online product ordering, GW found a way to spend money creating an online platform where one must be in an online queue in order to join another online queue!
Not only does this waste your time, but it ensures that most people will either not get access to the product, which sells out in minutes. Fans who miss out face the choice of a) having no product, or, b) trying to get it from a FLGS, and hope said FLGS itself was not itself f*cked over by GW shorting its orders, or, c) dealing with douchebag scalpers online, or, d) waiting for GW to replenish its stock. Note, this stock, if and when it appears will again sell out in minutes while you struggle to log in to the "new" POS web store, because somehow a company that must sell stuff to make a living is yet utterly unable to reliably stock and supply the stuff it wants to sell?
Step 1: join the queue to...be in another queue. |
Step 2: after the first queue, wait in the second queue, while the product sells out online without you. |
Maybe it was the fact that, having navigated the above, the new updated rules, once they arrive, are a total B-team effort in terms of presentation, combining tiny fonts and wasting vast amounts of page space?
Maybe it was the fact that, once you hurt your eyes and start reading, you find rules which probably contain a good game, but read as though they were written by an AI chat bot trained on a blend of EU climate treaties and a cut-and-paste of the "Patrol Phase" from Chain of Command? Why are the concepts of "formation" and "detachment" mixed up? Why do they call turns "rounds" when they should be called "turns"? Why do they try to make "overwatch" a verb? It's not a verb. Nobody, anywhere, "overwatches". Seriously what f*cking Sports Illustrated chat bot wrote this book?
A look at a single stand of assault marines. |
Maybe it was the fact that the c*nts, having taken years to develop the game, did not include rules or stats for Land Raiders or Whirlwinds or so many of the other basic main vehicles in the core rules?
Maybe it was the fact that the new infantry models, while being "larger", somehow still contain both seriously unfortunate "cuts" that leave weird look on the tactical marines when seen from certain angles, but are ALSO often multi-part? I mean - take one approach, or the other...but both?
Multi-part epic scale Space Marines. "I have always wanted multi-part figures this small" said nobody, ever, anywhere. |
Maybe it was that one thing that wargamers loathe the most, even more than changing the scale of the figures...it was THE BASES. GW has attempted, with this new game, to change not only the basing size and shape (to round 25mm for basic stuff), but also saw fit to include only bases with "scenic" pavement/urban elements sculpted right into them, and...I despise them. I enjoy a game set in an urban-type terrain, but while a miniature with relatively generic "outdoor" terrain looks fine in an "urban" wargame setting, a figure with specific urban terrain built on to its base looks ridiculous on any other kind of terrain...
More dreadnoughts. You can see here an example of the Imperial symbol from the "pavement"...I let that peak through, but otherwise try to cover up the pavement. |
...and let's continue the rant here. The pavements on the bases are not even broken up or anything. They are just random flagstone pavements so...like, the lines, which are visible, don't even necessarily match whatever given piece of "urban" terrain the model/figure might be placed on, causing immediate dissonance...
...let me just cover one more time how much I hate the bases....yeah...it must be the bases. F*ck these new, thin, stupid bases.
I did make an honest attempt to at least try to use them, but that lasted less than 24 hours before I was applying basing material to cover the stupid pavements, leaving the odd imperial symbol peaking out.
A look at the Terminators |
Is it all bad? Well, no, of course not. The game is back. It took forever, but it IS back. I think the rules will be good once I get them translated into English. The new models are fiddly, but they have many, many nice features (if you can find them for sale anywhere), and while I may not be a huge fan of multi-part 6mm infantry, once cannot argue with the detail it does allow for, assuming your temper can survive assembling them. Warning - do NOT build these anywhere near a floor with a carpet...
I think there is some great stuff here, but I totally get why people are turning en-masse to 3D printing options, as GW can't even get its sh*t together to sell you the stuff if you even want to buy it. I WANT to be a fan of this game, I don't understand why GW insists on treating customers in this manner when it simply doesn't have to...how does this company, which is publicly traded, not have an activist investor not lining up to beat this management group into small pieces?
Anyway, I'm hoping Byron might print some Land Raiders for me, as I would prefer to paint them now as opposed to waiting for six months for them to be "released"...
Group photo, one more time! |
So, after this tiresome and impotent rant, we have 55 individual 6mm figures (please don't call them 8mm - that is just not a thing) and four different dreadnoughts. I don't know what Dreadnoughts in this size count for points-wise, but I shall accept whatever the minion determines! Thanks for enduring my blather, please keep those brushes going!
Crackin work on these tiny figures!
ReplyDeleteCheers Ray!
DeleteThe figures look wonderful, lots of incredible detail that you've included and love the basing. However, take a chill pill and relax. it's a game and no one's actually forcing you to invest in this stuff!
ReplyDeletePeter, I think Greg's absence of a response to your comment speaks volumes.
DeleteNo chill pill is needed - we are all amongst friends here, right? Actually, I find Greg's rants very much in line with your posts over the years slagging decals and enlightening us of the inestimable pleasure you get from painting shields and horses. Both entertaining and bewildering at the same time. It's all good. :)
Sorry it was meant to be tongue in cheek. It’s a very good rant and I like the figures.
DeleteI love to read your rants as I feel the same way about GW but can't write in your style. I was also a super huge fan of Epic, taking "paint breaks" while writing my Ph.D. back in the days. As for the new iteration of the game, since I still have so many Epic miniatures , I simply bought the rulebook and played with what I have.
ReplyDeleteHowever, I do love the paint job you did on these new minis... but I'll stick to my old stuff for the moment.
Thanks Sylvain! I know you are a pace-setter when it comes to smaller scale gaming in general, and I'm glad to hear you find the new rules worthwhile, as that encourages me to stick with these new rules - which, I think, are good, incorporating many elements of the original "Space Marine" game.
DeleteAnd I'm glad you enjoy the rants :) Only the true grognards understand the passion!
Easily the best rant of the season! When things go corporate in an AI world… The marines look great - maybe there are enough Grognards with the old set and a friends with printers to enjoy it without lining the Evil Empire’s pockets:
ReplyDeleteCheers Pete, thanks very much! When you get right down to it, I end up having to financially support many "Evil Empires" (GW is practically a charity compared to entities such as Air Canada), but I'm thinking 3d printing will definitely play a part!
DeleteThese do look great although personally I abhor the idea of having to pre-order GW products myself. Pleased for you that you finally got them though.
ReplyDeleteCheers Peter! I was lucky in the end - FLGS was not shafted, and there was still some product left once I found my through their Byzantine pre-order...but many players or people who wish they could play were not so lucky.
DeleteThe only thing better than your amazing painting, is your amazingly entertaining rants on the ludicrous business practices of GW. Keep up the great work on both fronts.
ReplyDeleteAnd certainly, no issue hooking you up with some 3D printed land raiders! Even if they were available right now, I would not buy anything from GW right now, as they have completely lost the plot lately. Anything I have wanted from them over the last few years has always been sold out day one. HOW on earth do you not produce enough when the molds cost so much and are good forever.... it's like they don't want our money, so I am more than happy to oblige them.
Thanks very much Byron, and I'll be in touch about the Land Raiders!!
DeleteVery nice painting here dude! And never mind points bombs, that right there is a RANT BOMB, well done!
ReplyDeleteCheers Dallas!
DeleteReally enjoyed the rant, top quality and erudite. Backed up as usual by wonderful painting. I t would be good to add to my old Epic stuff from years ago but presumably would be best sourcing this elsewhere by self printing (asking for a friend! of course)
ReplyDeleteThanks Kerry! The new GW figures are very, very nice...if you can get them. It is not that they are nowhere...some stores have stock. But it is quite "hit and miss", so printing figures, for yourself or getting others to do it, is a great way to approach it.
DeleteTuesdays will henceforth be known as Therapy Tuesday… GW Rant Sessions will be facilitated by our own lovely GregB
ReplyDelete- 🩷Hugz
Thanks so much Sarah! :)
DeleteIt is good to release some steam every now and then. :) And well done on these marines on what-ever scale!
ReplyDeleteCheers Teemu!
DeleteSuperb work Dude. I love the detailed brushwork and the reworked bases (perhaps in a future post you can share your paint recipe for your Sons of Horus). I also fully endorse (and enjoy) the rant, and from my reading of the rules, find your criticisms pretty much spot-on. You need to save your shekels to buy you a few shares so you can have a proper meltdown at one their General Shareholder Meetings. ;)
ReplyDeleteThanks Curt! I may just ask ChatGPT to file a shareholder resolution for me...
DeleteThese will be far from the last Sons of Horus to appear during the Challenge, and I'll share the recipe!
The figures look great, yes, even the bases.
ReplyDeleteYou mention GW's POS webstore, do you mean 'Point of Sale', or ''Piece of S%#&', as both would be applicable here?
Personally, I loved 2nd ed. Space Marine, (which I believe forms the basis for LI), but I haven't jumped into the new game and probably won't for many of the reasons you have outlined above.
Hi Stuart, and thanks! In this case, "POS" definitely refers to "Piece of sh*t" - no web site can be perfect, and one can argue that GW has a particular challenge in that its product assortment is kind of diverse, and can also concede that a re-do of any web site creates angst. But GW completely sh*t the bed with this effort...
DeleteAs for the rules, I would say you are correct, I have noted many similarities between the new LI rules and past editions. While I personally still see them as inferior to "Epic: Armageddon", I think they are still nicely done and will make for a decent game once I un-pick the tortured, circular language.
Like you Greg, I miss the blast marker mechanic from the previous editions.
DeleteCracking job Greg - well worth the wait !
ReplyDeleteCheers Paul!
DeleteLooking good! I appreciate your rant- it's a great-looking game that has been botched.
ReplyDeleteThanks Barks!
DeleteThe only thing better than your wonderfully painted miniatures is your rant. Well said. Definitely the worst website GW has ever had.
ReplyDeleteCheers Tom! Yes, the "new" web site is abysmal.
DeleteLovely baby 40k, as for GW, Nuff said 😎
ReplyDeleteThanks so much Ken!
DeleteGood Job on these little guys
ReplyDeleteThank you!
DeleteI can’t disagree with any of your points on the release of this game! GW’s mangled release of this game has managed to stop me investing in it so far, which I’d never have expected… but you’ve done a fantastic job with these, the basing was one of the first thing la I noticed and works so much better than the “new and improved” bases. Your ability to recreate how well you’ve painted your 28mm stuff in this teeny scale is most impressive.
ReplyDeleteCheers Jamie!
DeleteWow Greg you just keep pumping them out, and they look so well painted, lots of skills with the brush, love the wee rant, sucks about having to que for minis like some weird concert tickets, I find it hard to believe someone out there thought it a good idea to make multi part figures this small, if I was doing it your would probably find bits stuck behind an ear, chair or who knows where, I'm bad enough with 28mm
ReplyDeleteThanks very much :) I was lucky with the multi-part chaps, the missile launchers fell on to the hardwood floor and were (relatively) simple to track down!
ReplyDeleteGreat work on these tiny marines.
ReplyDelete(I hear you about their supply chain issues. Any desire of mine to get into Warhammer The Old World is kyboshed by the lack of availability of the models.)